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I always approach history with the notion that "history is always about the historian and the time that the historian lived in". This historian produced these in the late 90s and he is a capitalist. So it is not surprising to "learn" that ancient Greece was all about competition, and there is a lot of focus on liberal democracy as a thing. I already know a lot of what is covered so this not terribly useful but I will finish it soon and dig into deeper/better sources.

The thing I didn't expect to learn about/from was the initial discussion in the lectures about Philhellenism in the 19th century, especially the German form of it, which has turned out terribly. The War of Greek Independence is a rabbit-hole I will have to explore later, but that's taking me way off the path. I am really looking for grounding to the stuff …

Elizabeth Vandiver: Greek Tragedy (AudiobookFormat, The Teaching Company) No rating

Content from The Great Courses/The Teaching Company is all over the place. The Rick Roderick lectures from the nineties are some of the best shit ever. Some of it is really bad in terms of dumbing down or trying to produce pop academia. Or weird agendas I am too embarrassed to admit that I slogged through.

Elizabeth Vandiver is one of the better presenters in terms of saying which ideas came from where, which ideas are her own, while leaving room for people to think for themselves and come to their own conclusions.

I just came off of a super opinionated book, that I loved, about Greek tragedy by someone who is selling it hard but didn’t provide a lot of the detailed background that these lectures provide. So this is good to fill in the missing bits.

Simon Critchley: Tragedy, the Greeks, and Us (Hardcover, 2019, Pantheon) 4 stars

Really gets you pumped on Greek Tragedy

4 stars

This is a really feisty and enthusiastic take on Greek tragedy.

I don’t want to spoil it but there’s a lot of great stuff about why tragedy is a worthwhile thing to read right now, how heroes and wars fucked up everything, and how Greek tragedy gave voices to the people most affected by this.

Sometimes he gets a little off track but he does a good job of reigning it back in.